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		<title>By: Whom Does Design Really Serve? &#124; Green Building</title>
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		<title>By: Guest</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2012 18:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fred Kent: Seriously man. GO GET LAID. I&#039;m sick and tired of your rhetoric and attacking of anyone you seem to have a personal vendetta against. They&#039;re either in the public spotlight more than you (something you obviously would relish), they&#039;re mostly designers (which you&#039;re not) or this could be as simple as you just trying to compensate for an overly small penis. At any rate, please disappear and leave well enough alone. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fred Kent: Seriously man. GO GET LAID. I&#8217;m sick and tired of your rhetoric and attacking of anyone you seem to have a personal vendetta against. They&#8217;re either in the public spotlight more than you (something you obviously would relish), they&#8217;re mostly designers (which you&#8217;re not) or this could be as simple as you just trying to compensate for an overly small penis. At any rate, please disappear and leave well enough alone. </p>
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		<title>By: Fredkent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fredkent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2012 16:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We stand by our comments. Nothing you said makes us reconsider our comments. Last Friday we had 50 housing developers from Toronto. We showed the images and a number of developers who were in the meeting agreed with our assessment. Some lived nearby. We have worked in over 3000 communities on public spaces for almost 40 years in over a 120 cities and 42 countries world-wide. We know a bad design when we see it.
We just spent the last two days in Istanbul shaping a placemaking program for the Global South. You would be laughed out of the room if you tried to put your design into any of the cities or slums we will be with over the next 4 years. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We stand by our comments. Nothing you said makes us reconsider our comments. Last Friday we had 50 housing developers from Toronto. We showed the images and a number of developers who were in the meeting agreed with our assessment. Some lived nearby. We have worked in over 3000 communities on public spaces for almost 40 years in over a 120 cities and 42 countries world-wide. We know a bad design when we see it.<br />
We just spent the last two days in Istanbul shaping a placemaking program for the Global South. You would be laughed out of the room if you tried to put your design into any of the cities or slums we will be with over the next 4 years. </p>
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		<title>By: michael v</title>
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		<dc:creator>michael v</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2012 17:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[PFS won the competition to do the landscape design for the &quot;urban park&quot; which is part of the redevelopment of Lansdowne Park, Ottawa&#039;s old exhibition grounds - and seems to be up to many of the same tricks there.

I have corresponded with the City of Ottawa on this matter, raising some of the concerns raised in Fred&#039;s article, and it is interesting what a strong push back I received in defense of the plan.

Most interesting was that in responding to my inquiry, with reference to Fred&#039;s criticism of another of PFS&#039;s projects, the City Manager included a note from PFS principal, Greg Smallenberg, esseintially denouncing Fred and this article.

 FYI, I have included Smallenberg&#039;s response below:

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PFS RESPONSE TO Mr. KENT’s CRITIQUE of SHERBOURNE COMMON


 


Mr. Kent has a reputation of unfairly criticizing design
and design professionals throughout North America and so it’s not surprising
the blog contains opinions we do not agree with. More importantly it contains
observations that seem intentionally misleading or perhaps just poorly
researched. Mr. Kent’s comments reveal a lack of understanding with respect to
the complexities and considerations of designing and building within the public
realm. For years now Mr. Kent has taken a very decided position that
well‐designed spaces are bad unless they adhere to a somewhat narrow and
prescriptive formula developed by behaviorist William Whyte in the 1970s and
1980s and adhered to by PPS ever since. If only creating beauty, joy and experience
in an urban context was that simple. Mr. Kent’s vitriol for the design
community is palpable and unrelenting. For this reason, and because of the
narrowness of his views, many in the North American design community have chosen
to simply ignore Mr. Kent and his diatribes which are consistently one‐sided
and almost always anti‐design. In fact the only reason we read his blog was
because of Mr. Vickers’s reference to it and our need to respond.


 


We take a very different view from that of Mr. Kent, one
where beautiful design and vibrant, functional


space are not mutually exclusive. And for the record, what
Mr. Kent fails to point out in his blog about Sherbourne Common is that the park
is located on a post industrial brownfield site in the midst of a massive redevelopment
and that a complete new community is just beginning to form around the park.
Along with an adjoining waterfront promenade and Sugar Beach, another fantastic
public space already delivered in East Bayfront, Sherbourne Common is an
example of building public amenity before private development, a proven strategy
for revitalizing cities all over the world.


 


Currently no one lives in the East Bayfront community
(where Sherbourne Common is centered) or


within easy walking distance of the park. So, for the next
few years, to find the park somewhat empty at certain times is not surprising. However things are
changing rapidly. A new college with a full time



student population of 3,000 directly adjacent to
Sherbourne Common has just opened this September.



Anticipating this, PFS has strategically located a large
open green directly across from the college for


informal sports and outdoor performance. The green is
lined with ample seating for hanging out with


friends or to people watch. In addition, thousands of
employees will be drawn to several new office


facilities either just completed or on the boards in East
Bayfront, and in the very near future


approximately 10,000 residents will be living in the
community. No one in the community will be further than a 5 minute walk from the park. The eastern edge of
the park will be lined with a variety of shops, cafes, a daycare and all sorts of community amenities that
will create a lively and vital component to life in Sherbourne Common. These amenities will be directly on
the park with no intervening roads.




On the south side of the park there are gardens for
passive enjoyment and an ice rink‐come‐splash pad for more active pursuits. Adjacent to the splash pad / ice
rink is a beautiful pavilion that Mr. Kent



derides in his blog, yet this pavilion houses public
washrooms, the mechanical system for the ice rink


and splash pad, the UV system that cleans the storm water
of East Bayfront and a soon‐to‐be‐leased


café within the park that will help activate the pavilion
area.


 


Sherbourne Common is a park and a storm water treatment
facility. In addition to the UV treatment


facility beneath the pavilion, public art that is not only
beautiful but functions as a part of the storm


water treatment train has been seamlessly incorporated
into the design, drawing attention to and


celebrating our water resource.


 


The children’s play area has been located on the north
side of the park to respond to the anticipated


family oriented residential buildings located north of
Queens Quay. The first of many is currently under


construction and directly adjacent to the park’s play
areas (again there is no intervening road). Once


completed, it is anticipated that the residents in this
building will be heavily utilizing the facilities in


Sherbourne Common ‐ North.


 


The children’s play area itself, which takes up almost 50%
of the total park area, was designed in close consultation with the City of Toronto Parks’ Department’s
play specialists. The various pieces of play equipment have been carefully placed to adhere to strict
CSA standards for fall zones. This has resulted in the pieces being somewhat separated from one another but
nonetheless successful in achieving a compliant and complete composition for active play. These
elements are interspersed with ample seating for parents who want to keep a
close eye on their children. Gravel surfacing in the play area (that Mr. Kent complains
about) responds to resiliency requirements for fall surfaces while allowing
ground water recharge, minimizing maintenance and providing contiguous planting
zones for the playground trees to thrive in. Planted areas of wispy long
grasses delineate spaces and bring children in close contact the more natural
aspects of play.



 


As Mr. Vickers has chosen to forward you what we consider
to be unfairly representative photograph


from Mr. Kent’s blog and purposely showing an empty park,
we felt compelled to attach a few


photographs that indicate how the park is used on a good
day and at different times of the first year


after completion. You will see in many of the photos that
the park is currently in the middle of a


construction site. Once the community is completed around
Sherbourne Common everyday will be a


good day and the park will be the social hub of East
Bayfront.


 



Greg Smallenberg 

[And then included 4 photos of people happily using the facilities at Sherbourne Common.] ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PFS won the competition to do the landscape design for the &#8220;urban park&#8221; which is part of the redevelopment of Lansdowne Park, Ottawa&#8217;s old exhibition grounds &#8211; and seems to be up to many of the same tricks there.</p>
<p>I have corresponded with the City of Ottawa on this matter, raising some of the concerns raised in Fred&#8217;s article, and it is interesting what a strong push back I received in defense of the plan.</p>
<p>Most interesting was that in responding to my inquiry, with reference to Fred&#8217;s criticism of another of PFS&#8217;s projects, the City Manager included a note from PFS principal, Greg Smallenberg, esseintially denouncing Fred and this article.</p>
<p> FYI, I have included Smallenberg&#8217;s response below:</p>
<p>=====================================================================<br />
PFS RESPONSE TO Mr. KENT’s CRITIQUE of SHERBOURNE COMMON</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Mr. Kent has a reputation of unfairly criticizing design<br />
and design professionals throughout North America and so it’s not surprising<br />
the blog contains opinions we do not agree with. More importantly it contains<br />
observations that seem intentionally misleading or perhaps just poorly<br />
researched. Mr. Kent’s comments reveal a lack of understanding with respect to<br />
the complexities and considerations of designing and building within the public<br />
realm. For years now Mr. Kent has taken a very decided position that<br />
well‐designed spaces are bad unless they adhere to a somewhat narrow and<br />
prescriptive formula developed by behaviorist William Whyte in the 1970s and<br />
1980s and adhered to by PPS ever since. If only creating beauty, joy and experience<br />
in an urban context was that simple. Mr. Kent’s vitriol for the design<br />
community is palpable and unrelenting. For this reason, and because of the<br />
narrowness of his views, many in the North American design community have chosen<br />
to simply ignore Mr. Kent and his diatribes which are consistently one‐sided<br />
and almost always anti‐design. In fact the only reason we read his blog was<br />
because of Mr. Vickers’s reference to it and our need to respond.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>We take a very different view from that of Mr. Kent, one<br />
where beautiful design and vibrant, functional</p>
<p>space are not mutually exclusive. And for the record, what<br />
Mr. Kent fails to point out in his blog about Sherbourne Common is that the park<br />
is located on a post industrial brownfield site in the midst of a massive redevelopment<br />
and that a complete new community is just beginning to form around the park.<br />
Along with an adjoining waterfront promenade and Sugar Beach, another fantastic<br />
public space already delivered in East Bayfront, Sherbourne Common is an<br />
example of building public amenity before private development, a proven strategy<br />
for revitalizing cities all over the world.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Currently no one lives in the East Bayfront community<br />
(where Sherbourne Common is centered) or</p>
<p>within easy walking distance of the park. So, for the next<br />
few years, to find the park somewhat empty at certain times is not surprising. However things are<br />
changing rapidly. A new college with a full time</p>
<p>student population of 3,000 directly adjacent to<br />
Sherbourne Common has just opened this September.</p>
<p>Anticipating this, PFS has strategically located a large<br />
open green directly across from the college for</p>
<p>informal sports and outdoor performance. The green is<br />
lined with ample seating for hanging out with</p>
<p>friends or to people watch. In addition, thousands of<br />
employees will be drawn to several new office</p>
<p>facilities either just completed or on the boards in East<br />
Bayfront, and in the very near future</p>
<p>approximately 10,000 residents will be living in the<br />
community. No one in the community will be further than a 5 minute walk from the park. The eastern edge of<br />
the park will be lined with a variety of shops, cafes, a daycare and all sorts of community amenities that<br />
will create a lively and vital component to life in Sherbourne Common. These amenities will be directly on<br />
the park with no intervening roads.</p>
<p>On the south side of the park there are gardens for<br />
passive enjoyment and an ice rink‐come‐splash pad for more active pursuits. Adjacent to the splash pad / ice<br />
rink is a beautiful pavilion that Mr. Kent</p>
<p>derides in his blog, yet this pavilion houses public<br />
washrooms, the mechanical system for the ice rink</p>
<p>and splash pad, the UV system that cleans the storm water<br />
of East Bayfront and a soon‐to‐be‐leased</p>
<p>café within the park that will help activate the pavilion<br />
area.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Sherbourne Common is a park and a storm water treatment<br />
facility. In addition to the UV treatment</p>
<p>facility beneath the pavilion, public art that is not only<br />
beautiful but functions as a part of the storm</p>
<p>water treatment train has been seamlessly incorporated<br />
into the design, drawing attention to and</p>
<p>celebrating our water resource.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>The children’s play area has been located on the north<br />
side of the park to respond to the anticipated</p>
<p>family oriented residential buildings located north of<br />
Queens Quay. The first of many is currently under</p>
<p>construction and directly adjacent to the park’s play<br />
areas (again there is no intervening road). Once</p>
<p>completed, it is anticipated that the residents in this<br />
building will be heavily utilizing the facilities in</p>
<p>Sherbourne Common ‐ North.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>The children’s play area itself, which takes up almost 50%<br />
of the total park area, was designed in close consultation with the City of Toronto Parks’ Department’s<br />
play specialists. The various pieces of play equipment have been carefully placed to adhere to strict<br />
CSA standards for fall zones. This has resulted in the pieces being somewhat separated from one another but<br />
nonetheless successful in achieving a compliant and complete composition for active play. These<br />
elements are interspersed with ample seating for parents who want to keep a<br />
close eye on their children. Gravel surfacing in the play area (that Mr. Kent complains<br />
about) responds to resiliency requirements for fall surfaces while allowing<br />
ground water recharge, minimizing maintenance and providing contiguous planting<br />
zones for the playground trees to thrive in. Planted areas of wispy long<br />
grasses delineate spaces and bring children in close contact the more natural<br />
aspects of play.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>As Mr. Vickers has chosen to forward you what we consider<br />
to be unfairly representative photograph</p>
<p>from Mr. Kent’s blog and purposely showing an empty park,<br />
we felt compelled to attach a few</p>
<p>photographs that indicate how the park is used on a good<br />
day and at different times of the first year</p>
<p>after completion. You will see in many of the photos that<br />
the park is currently in the middle of a</p>
<p>construction site. Once the community is completed around<br />
Sherbourne Common everyday will be a</p>
<p>good day and the park will be the social hub of East<br />
Bayfront.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Greg Smallenberg </p>
<p>[And then included 4 photos of people happily using the facilities at Sherbourne Common.] </p>
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		<title>By: Fredkent</title>
		<link>http://www.pps.org/blog/whom-does-design-really-serve/comment-page-1/#comment-97628</link>
		<dc:creator>Fredkent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2012 18:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Those are terrific comments. I love the insights that people have in these discussions. I think we will do an article to try to consolidate the thinking in a way that we might be further inspired. We certainly are.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those are terrific comments. I love the insights that people have in these discussions. I think we will do an article to try to consolidate the thinking in a way that we might be further inspired. We certainly are.</p>
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		<title>By: D.A.</title>
		<link>http://www.pps.org/blog/whom-does-design-really-serve/comment-page-1/#comment-97601</link>
		<dc:creator>D.A.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2012 00:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think a desire to make &quot;slick&quot; designs comes from something that is ingrained in the current day psyche of the Arch/L.A. professions. It may stem from the fact that we try to emulate other designers or designs rather seek inspiration from the ingredients of great places or natural processes. We look at other designed landscapes (and buildings or cities) and aspire to somehow either adopt similar elements or style. But I think we too rarely find inspiration in the unbeautiful, the mundane, and certainly not slick reality that makes up our daily lives. For some reason we seem to have a need to sterilise our world and a want to move away from our more gritty reality. The result is soulless landscapes and urban spaces, and bored kids (I design playgrounds and have a 3 year old. That playground is worthless).

And a side note, there is something conflicted in the logic of our planning system that builds places that take 10+ years to become relevant (perhaps we should think more incrementally?).I think the author&#039;s core point is spot on. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think a desire to make &#8220;slick&#8221; designs comes from something that is ingrained in the current day psyche of the Arch/L.A. professions. It may stem from the fact that we try to emulate other designers or designs rather seek inspiration from the ingredients of great places or natural processes. We look at other designed landscapes (and buildings or cities) and aspire to somehow either adopt similar elements or style. But I think we too rarely find inspiration in the unbeautiful, the mundane, and certainly not slick reality that makes up our daily lives. For some reason we seem to have a need to sterilise our world and a want to move away from our more gritty reality. The result is soulless landscapes and urban spaces, and bored kids (I design playgrounds and have a 3 year old. That playground is worthless).</p>
<p>And a side note, there is something conflicted in the logic of our planning system that builds places that take 10+ years to become relevant (perhaps we should think more incrementally?).I think the author&#8217;s core point is spot on. </p>
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		<title>By: Fredkent</title>
		<link>http://www.pps.org/blog/whom-does-design-really-serve/comment-page-1/#comment-97599</link>
		<dc:creator>Fredkent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Oct 2012 13:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[At what cost and who is it serving...the discipline or the community?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At what cost and who is it serving&#8230;the discipline or the community?</p>
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		<title>By: Fredkent</title>
		<link>http://www.pps.org/blog/whom-does-design-really-serve/comment-page-1/#comment-97598</link>
		<dc:creator>Fredkent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Oct 2012 13:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There is consultation and consultation. One is &quot;design and defend&quot; and the other is a community led process which we apply to create community destinations. We have been working on College Park for the city. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is consultation and consultation. One is &#8220;design and defend&#8221; and the other is a community led process which we apply to create community destinations. We have been working on College Park for the city. </p>
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		<title>By: Fredkent</title>
		<link>http://www.pps.org/blog/whom-does-design-really-serve/comment-page-1/#comment-97597</link>
		<dc:creator>Fredkent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Oct 2012 13:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is not a standard but a dramatic contrast between one &quot;own&quot; by the community and one done to a community. Give people a choice and where would they spend their time?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is not a standard but a dramatic contrast between one &#8220;own&#8221; by the community and one done to a community. Give people a choice and where would they spend their time?</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://www.pps.org/blog/whom-does-design-really-serve/comment-page-1/#comment-97595</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2012 16:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think it&#039;s funny that the author thinks that Dufferin is a nice park and sets this as the standard for others to be judged by.  While the photos looks really nice, most days at Dufferin are dreary.  The entire park is fenced with advertising billboards perched on this fence.  It does serve the neighbourhood in terms of providing a structure for a farmer&#039;s market as well as the area&#039;s unofficial dog park.  However, it is not the standard by which other parks should be measured.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s funny that the author thinks that Dufferin is a nice park and sets this as the standard for others to be judged by.  While the photos looks really nice, most days at Dufferin are dreary.  The entire park is fenced with advertising billboards perched on this fence.  It does serve the neighbourhood in terms of providing a structure for a farmer&#8217;s market as well as the area&#8217;s unofficial dog park.  However, it is not the standard by which other parks should be measured.</p>
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		<title>By: Whom does design really serve &#8211; reposted from PPS.org &#124; peopleandplacesprojects</title>
		<link>http://www.pps.org/blog/whom-does-design-really-serve/comment-page-1/#comment-97592</link>
		<dc:creator>Whom does design really serve &#8211; reposted from PPS.org &#124; peopleandplacesprojects</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2012 09:26:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Carren_Jao</title>
		<link>http://www.pps.org/blog/whom-does-design-really-serve/comment-page-1/#comment-97591</link>
		<dc:creator>Carren_Jao</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2012 01:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is a great point that&#039;s rarely made in media. Design has become about the glitz and glamour lately and it rarely returns after the ribbon cutting to see how it&#039;s achieved its goals. Thanks for pointing it out!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a great point that&#8217;s rarely made in media. Design has become about the glitz and glamour lately and it rarely returns after the ribbon cutting to see how it&#8217;s achieved its goals. Thanks for pointing it out!</p>
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		<title>By: KMc</title>
		<link>http://www.pps.org/blog/whom-does-design-really-serve/comment-page-1/#comment-97586</link>
		<dc:creator>KMc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2012 21:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m afraid you haven&#039;t done your research. Sherbourne Common had an extensive public process, and is pivotal in that it thoroughly and creatively integrates social spaces, ecological function (the &#039;greenwashing&#039; as you call it filters stormwater), and art, and begins to tie downtown Toronto back to its waterfront- a place that is just beginning to fill in with development. As others are eloquently saying, parks are process, and never complete.... ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m afraid you haven&#8217;t done your research. Sherbourne Common had an extensive public process, and is pivotal in that it thoroughly and creatively integrates social spaces, ecological function (the &#8216;greenwashing&#8217; as you call it filters stormwater), and art, and begins to tie downtown Toronto back to its waterfront- a place that is just beginning to fill in with development. As others are eloquently saying, parks are process, and never complete&#8230;. </p>
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		<title>By: Whom Does Design Really Serve? &#124; Project for Public Spaces &#171; Munson&#039;s City</title>
		<link>http://www.pps.org/blog/whom-does-design-really-serve/comment-page-1/#comment-97584</link>
		<dc:creator>Whom Does Design Really Serve? &#124; Project for Public Spaces &#171; Munson&#039;s City</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2012 14:35:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] This post from Fred Kent points to the sort of dissonance that can arise between designers and end users. Pictured above is Sherbourne Common, which is an award-winning park that no one uses. It is award winning, and built, because it appeals to other designers, which make up the juries both for selecting which projects are built in major cities and win major awards, but nobody uses it because regular people don&#8217;t care if it won awards, they care if it&#8217;s pleasant and fun to be in. Kent shows pictures on his post of two swings 20 yards apart. He contrasts this with Dufferin Grove Park, which he says isn&#8217;t &#8220;designed&#8221; so much as it is &#8220;cultivated;&#8221; the park has a little bit for everyone, thoughtfully arranged to maximize it&#8217;s usefulness, not it&#8217;s coiffed appearance. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] This post from Fred Kent points to the sort of dissonance that can arise between designers and end users. Pictured above is Sherbourne Common, which is an award-winning park that no one uses. It is award winning, and built, because it appeals to other designers, which make up the juries both for selecting which projects are built in major cities and win major awards, but nobody uses it because regular people don&#8217;t care if it won awards, they care if it&#8217;s pleasant and fun to be in. Kent shows pictures on his post of two swings 20 yards apart. He contrasts this with Dufferin Grove Park, which he says isn&#8217;t &#8220;designed&#8221; so much as it is &#8220;cultivated;&#8221; the park has a little bit for everyone, thoughtfully arranged to maximize it&#8217;s usefulness, not it&#8217;s coiffed appearance. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Weekly roundup: October 1-7 &#171; lingwhatics</title>
		<link>http://www.pps.org/blog/whom-does-design-really-serve/comment-page-1/#comment-97583</link>
		<dc:creator>Weekly roundup: October 1-7 &#171; lingwhatics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2012 22:01:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Whom does design really serve? [Project for Public Spaces] [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Dean</title>
		<link>http://www.pps.org/blog/whom-does-design-really-serve/comment-page-1/#comment-97582</link>
		<dc:creator>Dean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2012 21:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s great to hear criticism which isn&#039;t based on aesthetics but on use.   I actually like many places in This new park and think the water elements are fantastic.  There aren&#039;t many people in it because no one lives in the neighborhood yet..  However I totally agree with the comments in relation to the building, it&#039;s form and material selection.   Both seem out of place and totally inappropriate for a park.  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s great to hear criticism which isn&#8217;t based on aesthetics but on use.   I actually like many places in This new park and think the water elements are fantastic.  There aren&#8217;t many people in it because no one lives in the neighborhood yet..  However I totally agree with the comments in relation to the building, it&#8217;s form and material selection.   Both seem out of place and totally inappropriate for a park.  </p>
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		<title>By: Sheilaboudreau</title>
		<link>http://www.pps.org/blog/whom-does-design-really-serve/comment-page-1/#comment-97580</link>
		<dc:creator>Sheilaboudreau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2012 23:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Athough you&#039;re right, Dufferin Grove is an incredible place, it got that way following years of public involvement and initiatives. This article makes an unfair comparison... the local residents haven&#039;t even moved into the area... its all under construction.

We discovered the park when we visited the fabulous Sugar Beach nearby. My 3 kids ask me to take them to this park now, and they love the water features in both parks &amp; the funky equipment. And let me tell you, it&#039;s a rare occasion when all 3 of them ask to go to the same place! When I was there during the height of the summer tourist season, the area was filled with smiling people. The sculptural metal building is a welcomed change to the usual boring stuff we see. Come back in 10 years &amp; then make a fair comparison.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Athough you&#8217;re right, Dufferin Grove is an incredible place, it got that way following years of public involvement and initiatives. This article makes an unfair comparison&#8230; the local residents haven&#8217;t even moved into the area&#8230; its all under construction.</p>
<p>We discovered the park when we visited the fabulous Sugar Beach nearby. My 3 kids ask me to take them to this park now, and they love the water features in both parks &amp; the funky equipment. And let me tell you, it&#8217;s a rare occasion when all 3 of them ask to go to the same place! When I was there during the height of the summer tourist season, the area was filled with smiling people. The sculptural metal building is a welcomed change to the usual boring stuff we see. Come back in 10 years &amp; then make a fair comparison.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah Alhage</title>
		<link>http://www.pps.org/blog/whom-does-design-really-serve/comment-page-1/#comment-97576</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah Alhage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2012 14:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A little harsh there - I think it&#039;s a really cool and interesting space in a new environment. It needs time to populate and for people to even know it&#039;s there. There is nothing wrong with a few over-designed public spaces here and there. Not every space needs to be completely natural and organically formed. That being said, I always advocate public input in any case. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A little harsh there &#8211; I think it&#8217;s a really cool and interesting space in a new environment. It needs time to populate and for people to even know it&#8217;s there. There is nothing wrong with a few over-designed public spaces here and there. Not every space needs to be completely natural and organically formed. That being said, I always advocate public input in any case. </p>
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		<title>By: Fredkent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fredkent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2012 20:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ No wonder. They say there is a coffee shop and a gathering place. Thanks!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> No wonder. They say there is a coffee shop and a gathering place. Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Laurence Lui</title>
		<link>http://www.pps.org/blog/whom-does-design-really-serve/comment-page-1/#comment-97574</link>
		<dc:creator>Laurence Lui</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2012 19:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Huh? First of all, the pavilion was not even developed by Hines. It was developed by Waterfront Toronto far before Hines became involved with the Bayside development and was designed by Teeple Architects. The key reason why the design won an award was because IT IS A WATER TREATMENT PLANT. Imagine that! The pavilion serves to treat stormwater in the district, which gets recycled through the park&#039;s water features. Did you even read the release before you called the building &quot;unusable&quot;?!?


You&#039;re reading a freakin&#039; press release. I would be amazed if the language didn&#039;t sound manufactured. But misleading? Seriously?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huh? First of all, the pavilion was not even developed by Hines. It was developed by Waterfront Toronto far before Hines became involved with the Bayside development and was designed by Teeple Architects. The key reason why the design won an award was because IT IS A WATER TREATMENT PLANT. Imagine that! The pavilion serves to treat stormwater in the district, which gets recycled through the park&#8217;s water features. Did you even read the release before you called the building &#8220;unusable&#8221;?!?</p>
<p>You&#8217;re reading a freakin&#8217; press release. I would be amazed if the language didn&#8217;t sound manufactured. But misleading? Seriously?</p>
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		<title>By: Fredkent</title>
		<link>http://www.pps.org/blog/whom-does-design-really-serve/comment-page-1/#comment-97573</link>
		<dc:creator>Fredkent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2012 18:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What do you mean by fine? Many of the leaders in the design community have lost any connection to the communities they are supposed to serve. Read the comments below. they are making the same point again and again...something is wrong with the design community as it is currently structured. We see it everywhere and that is why we get all the work we get and now people want us to take a placemaking plan through to completion including hiring the skills required to deliver a good place.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What do you mean by fine? Many of the leaders in the design community have lost any connection to the communities they are supposed to serve. Read the comments below. they are making the same point again and again&#8230;something is wrong with the design community as it is currently structured. We see it everywhere and that is why we get all the work we get and now people want us to take a placemaking plan through to completion including hiring the skills required to deliver a good place.</p>
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		<title>By: Brendan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brendan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2012 15:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What&#039;s driving this article? An honest attempt at criticism, or another attempt by PPS to place what has now become pure dogma onto any unsuspecting &#039;designed&#039; park their author happens upon. Sherbourne Common is a fine park. Please PPS, stop picking pointless fights with the design community; it&#039;s counterproductive.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s driving this article? An honest attempt at criticism, or another attempt by PPS to place what has now become pure dogma onto any unsuspecting &#8216;designed&#8217; park their author happens upon. Sherbourne Common is a fine park. Please PPS, stop picking pointless fights with the design community; it&#8217;s counterproductive.</p>
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