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	<title>Comments on: Levels of Service and Travel Projections: The Wrong Tools for Planning Our Streets?</title>
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		<title>By: Project for Public Spaces &#124; Best of the Blog: Top 12 PPS Posts of 2012</title>
		<link>http://www.pps.org/blog/levels-of-service-and-travel-projections-the-wrong-tools-for-planning-our-streets/comment-page-1/#comment-97783</link>
		<dc:creator>Project for Public Spaces &#124; Best of the Blog: Top 12 PPS Posts of 2012</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Dec 2012 17:01:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Levels of Service &amp; Travel Projections: The Wrong Tools for Planning Our Streets? [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Creating Great Streets: What Does it Take? An Interview With John Massengale &#38; Victor Dover &#124; Project for Public Spaces</title>
		<link>http://www.pps.org/blog/levels-of-service-and-travel-projections-the-wrong-tools-for-planning-our-streets/comment-page-1/#comment-97349</link>
		<dc:creator>Creating Great Streets: What Does it Take? An Interview With John Massengale &#38; Victor Dover &#124; Project for Public Spaces</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2012 20:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] short, high-traffic periods of the day result in their being over-designed for the rest of the day. Look at peak hour demand in a smarter way: no amount of road widening or crosswalk removal is ever going [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] short, high-traffic periods of the day result in their being over-designed for the rest of the day. Look at peak hour demand in a smarter way: no amount of road widening or crosswalk removal is ever going [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Sandra Rishani</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sandra Rishani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2012 14:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[great article 
here is one from Beirut Lebanon that touches on similar issues 
http://spatiallyjustenvironmentsbeirut.blogspot.com/2011/10/get-me-out-of-this-traffic-jam.html
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>great article<br />
here is one from Beirut Lebanon that touches on similar issues<br />
<a href="http://spatiallyjustenvironmentsbeirut.blogspot.com/2011/10/get-me-out-of-this-traffic-jam.html" rel="nofollow">http://spatiallyjustenvironmentsbeirut.blogspot.com/2011/10/get-me-out-of-this-traffic-jam.html</a><br />
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		<title>By: The Traffic Problem &#171; smalltownurbanism</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Traffic Problem &#171; smalltownurbanism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2012 20:06:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] intersections which gives legal teeth to any opposition to development.  As pointed out in this blog post by Gary Toth, LOS standards were developed for highways, and have been misapplied to urban [...] ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] intersections which gives legal teeth to any opposition to development.  As pointed out in this blog post by Gary Toth, LOS standards were developed for highways, and have been misapplied to urban [...] </p>
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		<title>By: Need for a Vision &#171; smalltownurbanism</title>
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		<dc:creator>Need for a Vision &#171; smalltownurbanism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2012 20:02:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] the public perception is that traffic is much worse.  This is a topic for a future post.  Here is an interesting discussion regarding LOS standards and traffic modelling and why they are [...] ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the public perception is that traffic is much worse.  This is a topic for a future post.  Here is an interesting discussion regarding LOS standards and traffic modelling and why they are [...] </p>
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		<title>By: Wells</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wells</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Feb 2012 18:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Conservatives are fed BS from their elite ingratiating conservative overlords with the intended result being lower level BS spread around to pollute the world, to incite violence and profit from the mess. Go take your meds.     ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Conservatives are fed BS from their elite ingratiating conservative overlords with the intended result being lower level BS spread around to pollute the world, to incite violence and profit from the mess. Go take your meds.     </p>
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		<title>By: Payton_vege</title>
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		<dc:creator>Payton_vege</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Feb 2012 07:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Amazing write-up! This could aid plenty of people find out more about this particular issue. Are you keen to integrate video clips coupled with these? It would absolutely help out. Your conclusion was spot on and thanks to you; I probably won’t have to describe everything to my pals. I can simply direct them here!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amazing write-up! This could aid plenty of people find out more about this particular issue. Are you keen to integrate video clips coupled with these? It would absolutely help out. Your conclusion was spot on and thanks to you; I probably won’t have to describe everything to my pals. I can simply direct them here!</p>
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		<title>By: If the only tool we have is a hammer, we&#8217;ll tend to see every problem as a nail &#124; Bike Delaware</title>
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		<dc:creator>If the only tool we have is a hammer, we&#8217;ll tend to see every problem as a nail &#124; Bike Delaware</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Feb 2012 15:10:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] every problem in terms of congestion.  As Gary Toth from the Project for Public Spaces notes in a recent article, however, you can &#8220;solve&#8221; congestion problems by focusing exclusively on levels of [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] every problem in terms of congestion.  As Gary Toth from the Project for Public Spaces notes in a recent article, however, you can &#8220;solve&#8221; congestion problems by focusing exclusively on levels of [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Are Urban Arterials and Pedestrian Safety Mutually Exclusive? &#124; Car Free Baltimore</title>
		<link>http://www.pps.org/blog/levels-of-service-and-travel-projections-the-wrong-tools-for-planning-our-streets/comment-page-1/#comment-96987</link>
		<dc:creator>Are Urban Arterials and Pedestrian Safety Mutually Exclusive? &#124; Car Free Baltimore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2012 02:17:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] John N. LaPlante of T.Y. Lin. I won&#8217;t repeat his recommendations, which I laid out here, but traditional methods of traffic engineering and design don&#8217;t necessarily apply to urban streets.  Inconveniencing drivers by adding 2 [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] John N. LaPlante of T.Y. Lin. I won&#8217;t repeat his recommendations, which I laid out here, but traditional methods of traffic engineering and design don&#8217;t necessarily apply to urban streets.  Inconveniencing drivers by adding 2 [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Toth</title>
		<link>http://www.pps.org/blog/levels-of-service-and-travel-projections-the-wrong-tools-for-planning-our-streets/comment-page-1/#comment-96971</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary Toth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2012 00:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Andy is an amazing talent.   You should see his other stuff.  He has dozens upon dozens of other great cartoons.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andy is an amazing talent.   You should see his other stuff.  He has dozens upon dozens of other great cartoons.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Toth</title>
		<link>http://www.pps.org/blog/levels-of-service-and-travel-projections-the-wrong-tools-for-planning-our-streets/comment-page-1/#comment-96970</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary Toth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2012 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Traal, I think you have taken the Smart Transportation Guide quote out of context.    The two state DOTs that produced the Smart Transportation Guide are responsible for all ranges of streets and roads  -- some which serve long distance commuting and freight movement purposes and some that serve very local functions.   While it is nice to think about a world where we don&#039;t need high speed roads to bring goods in from our ports and to allow commuters to get to work, that world simply doesn&#039;t exist today.   

The real problem exists when transportation agencies decide that every road they touch must be approached using high speed transportation performance measures to the exclusion of community and environmental needs.   Ergo, it is a major step forward for two state DOTs to announce that the needs of communities must be factored in before blindly applying LOS standards.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Traal, I think you have taken the Smart Transportation Guide quote out of context.    The two state DOTs that produced the Smart Transportation Guide are responsible for all ranges of streets and roads  &#8212; some which serve long distance commuting and freight movement purposes and some that serve very local functions.   While it is nice to think about a world where we don&#8217;t need high speed roads to bring goods in from our ports and to allow commuters to get to work, that world simply doesn&#8217;t exist today.   </p>
<p>The real problem exists when transportation agencies decide that every road they touch must be approached using high speed transportation performance measures to the exclusion of community and environmental needs.   Ergo, it is a major step forward for two state DOTs to announce that the needs of communities must be factored in before blindly applying LOS standards.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Toth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary Toth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 23:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Susan, you make a good point.  But my response is that in those places that base their funding allocation as you describe, they have done so without being forced.   They made a CHOICE to assess the value of transportation investments based SOLELY on an automobile need as opposed to based on all of the other purposes of streets or the needs of communities.    That is their prerogative of course but shame on those planners and engineers who tell stakeholders that the dictate came down from the top of the mountain.    Also, transportation agencies who make such choices should no longer wonder why the public will give them money anymore to build projects that not only don&#039;t serve their needs but often work at odds with them.   

A former boss of mine used to muse that citizens lean against gas pumps mumbling about paying 4 dollars a gallon for gas while holding a bottle of water that they paid the equivalent of 16 dollars a gallon for and which they could have gotten for free out of the tap.   Why?   Because the customer sees the value in the bottle of water and increasingly no longer sees value in the product that transportation agencies have been offering them.   Think about it...

By the way, I am not sure that local government is the primary culprit in forcing state and federal funding to be spend in pursuit of LOS C.   While I have no doubt that this is sometimes the case, more often it is the state or County DOT forcing the criteria on the locals.    Last week, a friend of mine from a small town of 7500 told me that a state DOT -- over the objections of the community -- is forcing construction of a roundabout to be four lanes instead of two, citing the &quot;mandate&quot; that transportation investment must meet LOS C criteria for growth twenty years into the future.   

Balderdash!    There is no mandate from above.  This is a self imposed directive and transportation agencies need to come about from behind the cover of mythical mandates, look a community in the eye, and admit that THEY have chosen to make a decision that places the needs of motorists during one peak hour a day twenty years into the future, over the need of the community for placemaking and economically viable local commerce and sense of community.   

The problem of course is that the folks whose mouths those words flowed out of, sadly and most likely don&#039;t know the truth themselves.  This conventional and false wisdom has been passed down from generation of professional to generation, starting with the design of the Interstates in 1956 -- and almost no one knows that the policy was based on a mission that was completed 30 years ago for a type of road that is hugely different from urban streets.   

Once medical professionals followed the conventional wisdom that blood letting would solve most ailments.  Now we know that it does far more damage than good. It is time to pull the transportation wizards out from behind the curtain and tell them that we just want to go home too. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Susan, you make a good point.  But my response is that in those places that base their funding allocation as you describe, they have done so without being forced.   They made a CHOICE to assess the value of transportation investments based SOLELY on an automobile need as opposed to based on all of the other purposes of streets or the needs of communities.    That is their prerogative of course but shame on those planners and engineers who tell stakeholders that the dictate came down from the top of the mountain.    Also, transportation agencies who make such choices should no longer wonder why the public will give them money anymore to build projects that not only don&#8217;t serve their needs but often work at odds with them.   </p>
<p>A former boss of mine used to muse that citizens lean against gas pumps mumbling about paying 4 dollars a gallon for gas while holding a bottle of water that they paid the equivalent of 16 dollars a gallon for and which they could have gotten for free out of the tap.   Why?   Because the customer sees the value in the bottle of water and increasingly no longer sees value in the product that transportation agencies have been offering them.   Think about it&#8230;</p>
<p>By the way, I am not sure that local government is the primary culprit in forcing state and federal funding to be spend in pursuit of LOS C.   While I have no doubt that this is sometimes the case, more often it is the state or County DOT forcing the criteria on the locals.    Last week, a friend of mine from a small town of 7500 told me that a state DOT &#8212; over the objections of the community &#8212; is forcing construction of a roundabout to be four lanes instead of two, citing the &#8220;mandate&#8221; that transportation investment must meet LOS C criteria for growth twenty years into the future.   </p>
<p>Balderdash!    There is no mandate from above.  This is a self imposed directive and transportation agencies need to come about from behind the cover of mythical mandates, look a community in the eye, and admit that THEY have chosen to make a decision that places the needs of motorists during one peak hour a day twenty years into the future, over the need of the community for placemaking and economically viable local commerce and sense of community.   </p>
<p>The problem of course is that the folks whose mouths those words flowed out of, sadly and most likely don&#8217;t know the truth themselves.  This conventional and false wisdom has been passed down from generation of professional to generation, starting with the design of the Interstates in 1956 &#8212; and almost no one knows that the policy was based on a mission that was completed 30 years ago for a type of road that is hugely different from urban streets.   </p>
<p>Once medical professionals followed the conventional wisdom that blood letting would solve most ailments.  Now we know that it does far more damage than good. It is time to pull the transportation wizards out from behind the curtain and tell them that we just want to go home too. </p>
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		<title>By: Susan Driver</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susan Driver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 15:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Unfortunately, while a regulation to design with LOS in mind may not exist, the funding dilemma is what generally drives the decision. Most federal and state funding has traditionally based project need on whether or not the roadway or system is meeting the LOS allowed by the local government. If a City&#039;s standards require that all road systems must meet LOS B, then an analysis that shows the roads at LOS D 20 years in the future will be enough to secure funding to &quot;fix&quot; this problem (or to require development to contribute to a fix).

Fortunately, the FHWA livability standards have made some progress in helping local governments to secure funding for projects that address areas other than traffic flow. All of the ARRA funding applications required applicants to look at these six principles. Forward thinking at the Federal level doesn&#039;t always happen fast, but we are making progress.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, while a regulation to design with LOS in mind may not exist, the funding dilemma is what generally drives the decision. Most federal and state funding has traditionally based project need on whether or not the roadway or system is meeting the LOS allowed by the local government. If a City&#8217;s standards require that all road systems must meet LOS B, then an analysis that shows the roads at LOS D 20 years in the future will be enough to secure funding to &#8220;fix&#8221; this problem (or to require development to contribute to a fix).</p>
<p>Fortunately, the FHWA livability standards have made some progress in helping local governments to secure funding for projects that address areas other than traffic flow. All of the ARRA funding applications required applicants to look at these six principles. Forward thinking at the Federal level doesn&#8217;t always happen fast, but we are making progress.</p>
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		<title>By: Djross2074</title>
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		<dc:creator>Djross2074</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 07:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The author is not in error, traal.  For the time being, this is the tradeoff. What you are proposing seems like good, common sense.  However, Mr. Toth&#039;s article describes the real world; not one where Americans&#039; driving habits are so baldly subject to the constraints of the free market. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The author is not in error, traal.  For the time being, this is the tradeoff. What you are proposing seems like good, common sense.  However, Mr. Toth&#8217;s article describes the real world; not one where Americans&#8217; driving habits are so baldly subject to the constraints of the free market. </p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 01:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The author is in error. There doesn&#039;t have to be a tradeoff between LOS and livable streets. Simply build the livable street, convert all freeway lanes to express toll lanes to permanently eliminate freeway traffic congestion, and replace minimum parking requirements with market rate parking to permanently eliminate surface street traffic congestion.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The author is in error. There doesn&#8217;t have to be a tradeoff between LOS and livable streets. Simply build the livable street, convert all freeway lanes to express toll lanes to permanently eliminate freeway traffic congestion, and replace minimum parking requirements with market rate parking to permanently eliminate surface street traffic congestion.</p>
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		<title>By: William Lindeke</title>
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		<dc:creator>William Lindeke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 22:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Andy Singer&#039;s illustrations are amazing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andy Singer&#8217;s illustrations are amazing.</p>
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